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 Another Teacher Facing Jail For Sex With A Student
Another Teacher Facing Jail For Sex With A Student
What makes this case different is the fact that the student, the so-called "victim" is 18 years old. In other words he is an adult. Ohio's laws don't take that into consideration and says any teacher who has sex with a student is a rapist. picked by NoPantsMan 5 months ago
tags ostmann ohio consent wtf
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 NoPantsM...
5 months ago
I can't believe she is facing the ruination of her career and jail time for having consensual sex with another adult.

This is hardly a case of a person manipulating them or using an unfair power over them

I wonder what law would do if they were married.
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 misswink...
5 months ago
I don't care what the law is. You shouldn't be having sex with your student. Wait 'til he graduates, dummy.
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 DoggySpe...
5 months ago
« misswinkle : I don't care what the law is. You shouldn't be having sex with your student. Wait 'til he graduates, dummy.
It might not be good for your carreer, but it shouldn't be illegal.
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 drogue
5 months ago
« DoggySpew : It might not be good for your carreer, but it shouldn't be illegal.
Hear hear! If it's legal otherwise, but violates your job agreement, you should get fired at most—not freaking charged with a felony. What an idiotic state law.

edit: I dug this up from an Ohio defense attorney's site:

2907.3 Sexual Battery Any person who engages in sexual conduct with any person under 18 and where defendant occupies a specific position of authority, i.e. parent, teacher or coach. (Third degree felony.)

I agree with the parent part, for sure. But, "under 18," eh? Must be some other law governing this case.

But if there is such a law, and any student/teacher relationship is so governed, what if an 18-year old "student professor" or "coach" (not beyond the realm of possibility) has sex with a 54 year-old community college student?

What about a 30 year-old pilates instructor having sex with their 25 year-old student?

Silly. The language of good, intelligent laws, state or otherwise should be formed with attention to fringe scenarios like this. Not just ad hoc, based on pure precedent.

That kind of thinking is where you get those kooky state/local laws, some still on the books like "It is illegal to carry a wild turkey carcass over your right shoulder while waving a sea slug within 100 feet of a church or pub." (I made that one up, but you get the idea.)
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 misswink...
5 months ago
I get the whole "she shouldn't be charged with a felony" thing. But if she knew that being charged was even possible, why chance it? Sounds reckless to me.
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 NoPantsM...
5 months ago
« misswinkle:I get the whole "she shouldn't be charged with a felony" thing. But if she knew that being charged was even possible, why chance it? Sounds reckless to me.
you're right. But just because something is the law doesn't mean it is a just or fair law. Sometimes you have to be reckless in order to gain freedom.
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 misswink...
5 months ago
All I'm saying is this poor woman should expand her dating pool beyond her students. I'm not stating she's a danger to society and I'm confused as to slavery somehow being in the equation. Do you take everything to such extremes? Geez.

I really hope that when my son is in high school, his teachers would rather give him an education than sex. That's just my opinion. I still don't care what the law says.
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 NoPantsM...
5 months ago
Slavery is just an example albeit extreme, of an unjust law.

We're aren't talking about your little son.

We are talking about 2 adults. An 18-year old and a 25-year old. The fact that one is a teacher shouldn't automatically make the fact that they had sex a felony crime. Nor should the 18-year old be told he is a victim.

What if you went back to school and fell in love with your teacher. Would a relationship between you two be rape just because he was your teacher no? Would you be a victim? No.

It is an unjust law. It is a blanket law that covers everybody. The law shouldn't be so all-encompassing. The law doesn't even appear to make an exception for married couples. At least not the law drogue pointed out.
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 drogue
5 months ago
« misswinkle:All I'm saying is this poor woman should expand her dating pool beyond her students. I'm not stating she's a danger to society and I'm confused as to slavery somehow being in the equation. Do you take everything to such extremes? Geez.
Slavery? I must have missed an edit, right?

edit: posted 1/2 hour after NPM's response after sitting in the tab that long.

I agree with NPM's assertion that unjust, or stupid laws should be (non-violently) resisted, as per MLK's work.

But as you've agreed with, no one should be faced with a felony charge, and possible prison time for merely violating an employee contract. And a state shouldn't have a law on the books that allows them to be prosecuted for a felony when it would otherwise be perfectly fine by the law, outside their employee agreement.

If the law says you're an adult at 18, then the law should respect the legal decisions you make with a consenting adult.
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 Dannyboy...
5 months ago
« drogue : 
2907.3 Sexual Battery Any person who engages in sexual conduct with any person under 18 and where defendant occupies a specific position of authority, i.e. parent, teacher or coach. (Third degree felony.)
Actually, I'm reading that as "If you have sex with your student or a minor." So I think you've found the right law.

Although, technically, the use of "and" there means this law would only apply to teachers humping minors. But such a minor point of grammar is likely well within the power of the courts to interpret as they wish.
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 walters8...
5 months ago
It shouldn't be illegal at all!
In any other company & sector, if you have sex with your boss/employee, the worse that could happen is that you might be fired!
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